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I remember how the crystal retaining ring looks...
my question is how it can mechanically allow helium to escape while preventing water to enter if it doesn't lift; in which case water could also enter.
I just wondered if the ring itself is a permeable membrane rather than just a mechanical seal.
Helium gets into the watch by seeping between the molecules of the gaskets and perhaps the crystal itself but water doesn't. Helium builds up slowly in the watch and would eventually leak out under it's own devices if left alone. The problem is that you don't want to come to the surface and have all that pent up pressure inside the watch which will stay for some time as it would take equally as long to leek out as it did to get in.
My thinking is that Seiko may have used a special crystal gasket/retaining ring material that allows a much faster egress of Helium through it's permeability than by some mechanical lifting of the crystal.
If pressure from inside the watch can lift the crystal then pressure from outside could also force water inside. Pressure isn't exerted just from the face of the crustal but in all directions around the watch.
It would be interesting to find out exactly what Seiko did...
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- Do (seiko divers watches) use a (he-gas escape valve)?...Yes & No!..> - Poseidon-Jim - 2007-11-24 11:47:00
- Jimmy...are those quotes from Seiko? - Penglipur Lara - 2007-11-24 11:54:00
- No Penglipur, just my thoughts and I mentioned the crystal retaining ring I think? - Poseidon-Jim - 2007-11-24 12:33:00
- I remember how the crystal retaining ring looks... - Penglipur Lara - 2007-11-24 13:16:00
- interesting... - outremer2 - 2007-11-24 13:32:00
- Interesting & logical thoughts....I havent heard of permeable retaining rings, but - Poseidon-Jim - 2007-11-24 13:46:00
- My understanding... - petew - 2007-11-24 14:20:00
- Thanks Petew for that!...if you could find that link, it would be greatly appreciated! - Poseidon-Jim - 2007-11-24 15:29:00
- Great post Jimmy - Thomas - 2007-11-24 17:08:00
- Thanks Thomas & hopefully we will have an in-depth review soon.... - Poseidon-Jim - 2007-11-24 17:40:00
- KISS..thanks pete, all too often we get caught up in details... - Penglipur Lara - 2007-11-24 19:03:00
- I guess so Peter & thanks!....I dont really have the answers & I just - Poseidon-Jim - 2007-11-24 20:55:00
- thank you! - outremer2 - 2007-11-25 01:42:00
- What a load of old rubbish...... - Neil - 2007-11-25 05:08:00
- Guesswork Neil? ... "I didnt mention" that they use permeable - Poseidon-Jim - 2007-11-25 08:59:00
- Old rubbish; new rubbish...perhaps, but... - Penglipur Lara - 2007-11-25 10:08:00
- Thats correct Peter!....The M.M. uses no crown he gas release valve!..I dont know how... - Poseidon-Jim - 2007-11-25 11:24:00
- Yeh, I doubt there is any validity to the permeable gasket either... - Penglipur Lara - 2007-11-25 12:13:00
- Excellent post Jim! Very educational. Thanks! [nt] - Hiro - 2007-11-25 05:20:00
- Thanks Hiro, and I only have limited info on this, but thanks!..../nt - Poseidon-Jim - 2007-11-25 09:01:00
- Pretty sure the technology is to keep helium out.. - Bongo - 2007-11-25 08:38:00
- I agree Bongo, but some does enter & I never said that Seiko crowns.... - Poseidon-Jim - 2007-11-25 09:05:00
- I do believe the gasket is not to main part in .... - bart wielinga - 2007-11-25 09:50:00