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Interesting & logical thoughts....I havent heard of permeable retaining rings, but
I do know & remember from my chemistry & Biology classes that the term "Permeable" means to: Allow fluids or gases to pass or diffuse through a substance or membrane either fully Permeable or semi!
Im not sure if this is how the gasket/ring system works or not to be honest, but I wouldnt think so as that permeablity would make he intrusion as easy as exit!
..from all I have read and heard of this L-flanged gasket system employed & developed by Seiko
watch company, that the gas passes under and around the gasket and ring and pushes up around the edges of the crystal surfaces.
If it were based purely on Permability, there would have been no need or reason for the development of the gasket in study and the gas would just make its way out by the easiest means...Thus this could not be plausible, as the watch would not be sealed to the fullest potential IMO.
The truth is helium is a gas that rises, helium will not escape out of the body or enclosed watch case that easy without help at depth...the gas has an expanding property that when below sea-level has a constant pressure at a specific gravity & depth, and when approaching sea-level I think the gas expands which increses its ability to rise.
The problem with watches is that the he gas usually rises to the upper level of the watch case, which as we know would be the crystal area, and crystal have cracked and broke due to this build-up in he gas molecules, and thus must be released either manually (Valve) or automatically (L-gasket).
This is where the L-flanged crystal gasket comes into play & employs its design charactoristics and allows the gas to pass under the flange and up and around the upper gasket area into and around the retaining ring and out of the watch...
Well, this is what I see and the way I understand it to work & I may have missed something here, but I thimk Im with-in the specs of the operation of this system.
Maybe Randal Benson or Larry Bigg's would be able to clarify this feature, but this is all I know and can explain about how it works IMO.
Thanks,
Jimmy
This message has been edited by Poseidon-Jim from IP address 172.133.216.202 on Nov 24, 2007 1:50 PM
Message Thread
- Do (seiko divers watches) use a (he-gas escape valve)?...Yes & No!..> - Poseidon-Jim - 2007-11-24 11:47:00
- Jimmy...are those quotes from Seiko? - Penglipur Lara - 2007-11-24 11:54:00
- No Penglipur, just my thoughts and I mentioned the crystal retaining ring I think? - Poseidon-Jim - 2007-11-24 12:33:00
- I remember how the crystal retaining ring looks... - Penglipur Lara - 2007-11-24 13:16:00
- interesting... - outremer2 - 2007-11-24 13:32:00
- Interesting & logical thoughts....I havent heard of permeable retaining rings, but - Poseidon-Jim - 2007-11-24 13:46:00
- My understanding... - petew - 2007-11-24 14:20:00
- Thanks Petew for that!...if you could find that link, it would be greatly appreciated! - Poseidon-Jim - 2007-11-24 15:29:00
- Great post Jimmy - Thomas - 2007-11-24 17:08:00
- Thanks Thomas & hopefully we will have an in-depth review soon.... - Poseidon-Jim - 2007-11-24 17:40:00
- KISS..thanks pete, all too often we get caught up in details... - Penglipur Lara - 2007-11-24 19:03:00
- I guess so Peter & thanks!....I dont really have the answers & I just - Poseidon-Jim - 2007-11-24 20:55:00
- thank you! - outremer2 - 2007-11-25 01:42:00
- What a load of old rubbish...... - Neil - 2007-11-25 05:08:00
- Guesswork Neil? ... "I didnt mention" that they use permeable - Poseidon-Jim - 2007-11-25 08:59:00
- Old rubbish; new rubbish...perhaps, but... - Penglipur Lara - 2007-11-25 10:08:00
- Thats correct Peter!....The M.M. uses no crown he gas release valve!..I dont know how... - Poseidon-Jim - 2007-11-25 11:24:00
- Yeh, I doubt there is any validity to the permeable gasket either... - Penglipur Lara - 2007-11-25 12:13:00
- Excellent post Jim! Very educational. Thanks! [nt] - Hiro - 2007-11-25 05:20:00
- Thanks Hiro, and I only have limited info on this, but thanks!..../nt - Poseidon-Jim - 2007-11-25 09:01:00
- Pretty sure the technology is to keep helium out.. - Bongo - 2007-11-25 08:38:00
- I agree Bongo, but some does enter & I never said that Seiko crowns.... - Poseidon-Jim - 2007-11-25 09:05:00
- I do believe the gasket is not to main part in .... - bart wielinga - 2007-11-25 09:50:00